Wednesday, October 24

V. global warning alarmism, then evolutionism, and back again

I always like to repost my articulate comments from elsewhere, raise the IQ of this weblog a little, ya know? ;-)

So here's one I thought was pretty good from Tom's site. Big discussion of Gore's Nobel, Bjorn Lomborg, etc. 'jim' (not buddy Jim over here I don't think) commented that he thinks the scientific community is risking its credibility in their approach to global warming. I wrote:

jim: good point though i think the scientific community has already hurt its credibility, ie, it's past the risk. and this isn't the only issue, either...

the postmodern critique pointed out the limits of rational inquiry some time ago. science in general has seemed fairly oblivious to this critique, for good and ill.

now we are seeing the politicization of science without attendant awareness that subjectivity is involved. the scientific 'consensus' is simply presented as 'fact'.

Of course, another area which I criticize in this regard is evolutionism and the demonization of all who believe in some form of creation in which evolution does not suffice to get from nothing to complex life.

In other crappy scientism news, Clive Thompson at Wired says scientists should change their terminology to the Law of evolution since the unwashed masses don't understand that a theory can be 99% proven. Well, yes: if you rule God out of bounds from the start, evolution's the best explanation left. Of course, Thompson's rhetoricizing here, because evolution can't really be proven, especially in retrospect.

Before anyone goes berserk, I'm not saying there's not evidence for evolution. But Thompson sort of implies that evolution is 99% proven by referring to the possibility of a theory being 99% proven. Evolution is patently not 99% proven. It can't be, because it's in the past. Unless your proof is constituted by 'Well, we're here, and there's obviously no god, so...'

Again, a big part of the problem here is presuppositions. If science restricts itself to inquiry with absolutely no reference to God, then evolution makes sense. What other explanation could their be?

But, if we move back to presuppositions and allow the possibility of God and I ask you what makes more sense: an Intelligent Designer or complex life from nothing, the answer to me is clear.

It's the start of the disconnect: to atheists, belief in any form of creation is utterly unwarranted. To deists, the absolute exclusion of creation is nonsensical.

No wonder very few of us on opposite sides can meaningfully discuss this issue.

And, by the way, regarding the title of this post: I'm not denying global warming. I'm agnostic on it and willing to stipulate the IPCC's work.

I do question the extent of human causation. Further, following Tom and Lomborg, I question the imperative of re-tooling our global economy around global warming, killing ourself to fight back a few degrees (out of the total) while people are dying in the undeveloped world, today, of simple disease and malnutrition and lack of jobs and security and access to capital. We want to spend billions, and maybe cripple our economy, for possible ecological savings for those of us in the developed world while we don't care about those in the developing world that we could save right now for pennies on the dollar.

Not to mention the Law of Human Ingenuity. I'm betting, in my policy recommendations (which, of course, will make no difference ;-), that we'll figure out ways to live with global warming, if it's as bad as some people predict it will be: solar shade, seed the clouds, sequester carbon in the ocean, build sea walls, undersea colonies, or even arcologies. I don't know. But when it gets bad enough, we'll come up with something.

Not to mention the fact, which I've alluded to above, that global warming countermeasures may very well cripple the economies of developing countries that need more money today and need more wealth to deal with the possible effects of predicted global warming.

(By the way, the UN already predicts that developing nations will have much more wealth to deal with this situation in the event of rising seas, etc.)

Okay, flame off.

(Sorry I didn't warn you about the flame on ;-)

8 comments:

Dan tdaxp said...

Theories can't be proven in any case. They can be useful in explaining or predicting data, and they can be disproven.

"Evolution" as its thrown around is much more of a paradigm or grand research program, that guides many smaller investigations. It is useful, so thrives in the scientific mainstream. Critics from the Right (mostly Creationists) and Left (mostly Marxists) dislike it because they are wedded to the belief that History implies moral behavior.

BWJones said...

But you can watch evolution happen in real time. Just go to any college microbiology or molecular biology class/lab and do a little experiment with bacteria and watch. It is fascinating. On top of that little undergraduate experiment, there are literally tens of thousands of examples supporting evolution, yet none of them rule out the existence of God. So, why I wonder do so many in the religious community (disclaimer: I am quite spiritual) dismiss evolution?

deichmans said...

Sean,

Sounds like much ado about semantics. Relativity is a "Theory" too, even though observations corroborate all of the intellectual elements (time and space compression as a function of velocity with respect to another frame of reference). College undergrads can do experiments to validate these observations with the underlying math (Lorentz Transformations), so this is as close to "fact" as you can get in a Popperian "Logical Positivist" world.

Creationists demonstrate their lack of confidence on the subject matter when they harp about evolution. Nothing from Darwin disputes the existence of God (Darwin was, in fact, extremely devout); rather, it simply means that Moses (the author of Genesis) was factually incorrect. That's all.

It seems that the key determinant of whether one is a "scientist" or not is their willingness to accept contradictory data and modify their theories. A true scientist is not trying to prove themselves "right" -- they are looking to prove themselves WRONG. When they stop doing this, they become driven by another agenda -- and are to be viewed with suspicion and doubt.

Sean Meade said...

thanks for the great comments, guys!

BW: you have a good point, while i have focused more on the opposite: why do so many in the scientific community dismiss god?

deichmans: way to name-check Popper! ;-)

another way of looking at Moses/the author(s) of the Pentateuch is that they weren't really trying to relate scientific facts. i, myself view the creation stories as literary (based on their structure). further, the Inspirer of the Biblical authors was not communicating scientific fact He knew perfectly well!

Dan tdaxp said...

"why do so many in the scientific community dismiss god?"

Scientists are trained to look at what things are made of, not what things are.

Humans are made of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and all the rest. But homo sapiens really and truly are spirit in flesh.

Similarly, in Catholic communion, the bread and wine really and truly are transsubstantiated into the holy body and blood of Christ. They are still made of wheat flower and water and fermented grapes, however.

Confusing "made of" with "is" must be one of the gravest mistakes that man makes.

Brad B. said...

Sean, excellent post. You're going to make me a regular reader with work like this!

This post is very timely because I'm currently re-reading a book that (shockingly) was assigned to me by my 9th Grade public school Biology teacher. It was an extra credit assignment and for the last 18 years, it's been fundamental in squaring my faith with science. It's called Genesis and the Big Bang. I picked up a used copy on Amazon for close to nothing.

Basically, the book uses original Hebrew translations rather than our Christian King James version of the Old Testament along with Einstein's Theory of Relativity to claim that the "six days" of Genesis line up perfectly with the timeline of modern science. Other chapters continue with what Sean was alluding to when he stated that while evolution can explain variations within a form of life, no one has been able to demonstrate how a cellular life form can randomly happen by chance.

Personally, like some of you, my faith is not threatened by evolution. That's why I'm a bit distressed that people who believe that the world is only ~3000 years old are called Creationists. It implies that one can only believe in Creation or Evolution but not both.

I really recommend the book. You can get it cheap, it's a quick easy read (180 pages not including sources and tables) and really gives some insight into the subject.

Anonymous said...

"crappy scientism", you're too cool. Where'd I put that interrobang?

Late to the party ......... ;~)

Sean Meade said...

Brad: thanks for the kind words. i've seen some of the timeline comparisons, to which i remain rather agnostic. may be prejudice on my own part, but i really think we have a literary pattern going on, not science by the author (unwittingly) or the Inspirer.