So how'd the MetaTalk discussion develop? Basically, my argument was ignored. The sarcasm comment was intentionally snarky. There was some snark back. No problem. No one else defended respect for people of faith. y6y6y6 called the majority of what he's read in the Bible 'pretty goofy'. I basically said 'that's stupid', ie, no thinking people reach that sort of global conclusion about the Bible. At least allow that it's an important historical document. No. Instead, the right to insult faith was defended twice. Stanley Hauerwas said 'Liberals are those people open to all points of view except those points of view which are open to all points of view.'. This exchange further proves that. Those of us of faith are often ignored out of the discussion among today's 'intelligentsia'. A report from the front.